Pool and Recreation Center Comments Made at the Final Apex Public Input Meeting

by John Kiljan

Dear CLRC members and friends,

This post is a copy of the comments made and heard about a pool and community recreation for south, southeast and east Arvada. The comments were made at meeting held by the Apex Park & Recreation District on March 26, 2015, at 6:30 pm at the Apex Community Recreation Center.

This is a long posting to go through, but if you are interested in local recreation, these public comments are important for a number of reasons:

1 – they seem to be a good cross section of public sentiment about this important recreation issue, and
2 – they are not reflected in Apex’s summary notes for the meeting, and
3 – none of the members of the Arvada City Council are known to have attended the Apex meeting, and
4 – because the Council and Apex will be having a joint workshop to discuss the results of the meeting this coming Tuesday evening, and
5 — if you have comments to make to the Council or to Apex before they meet, this weekend would be a very good time to do that.

March 26, 2015 Apex public input meeting

March 26, 2015 Apex public input meeting

Also included in this posting are comments on the same subjects made on social media both before and after the meeting.

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Mike Miles: “I’m the Executive Director of the Apex Park and Recreation District . . . and I have to be honest with you, since 1997 when I came here, this is the largest turnout we’ve ever had for a public meeting.” (The meeting lasted over two hours and 130 people are reported to have attended)

MM: “Here’s the Apex election history [showing a history of past bond initiative results]. Now, this is not a particularly pretty sight. . . . But the bond issue to replace Fisher Pool failed again there. . . . So you can see our track record has not been significant, other than the Apex Center, we’ve not had much success in the respect of renovation or development of new facilities.”

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John Kiljan: “Can I speak to the eastside recreation center? Thank you — that’s why I came. Obviously this [breakout table] is a tennis group. I live in central Arvada near what is now Ralston Central Park. It’s where the Fisher Pool used to be.” (John Kiljan at his own nine-person breakout table)

JK: “About four years ago/five years ago, we formed a neighborhood association and we started out by asking people what their issues were. We haven’t an annual meeting [where] we can’t get through introductions without people going on about the loss of local recreation – for children especially. We used to have the basketball court indoors, and outdoors, we had an ice skating rink, we had a kiddie pool, we had an adult pool, we had a practice [football field] where Wolff Park is now. All of that’s gone.”

JK: “It was replaced with a splash pool [in the park] for small children, which is very popular. It gets used a lot. But that issue, about what kids do – especially during the summer – when they’re out of school and looking for trouble. That whole area from Kipling to Wadsworth Bypass, which is where our neighborhood association covers, is the number one top issue. It comes up every single time.

JK: “And, quite frankly, there is a lot of hostility to Apex – formerly North Jeffco. I used to wear a North Jeffco baseball cap and people would pull me over and just chew me out, because, well, the pool closed eight years ago now, I think it was. There were three elections, yeah, to replace it. Those all passed locally, but they were district-wide elections and that was the only ballot issue was the pool or no pool. We don’t blame the people living way up north, way out west – or even by Secrest – for voting against that. It was pretty popular [locally].

JK: “It’s been complained about so much – the lost recreation for kids — that the Arvada City Council has coughed up $3.1 million to help build the pool that Apex has said we can’t build. I’d like to see that money matched with Apex money in this bond issue. If something like that doesn’t happen and there’s [not some] local recreation — all the way down to the Columbine area, which has nothing right now — that’s the area south of Grandview on the very east side of the City on the other side of the Bypass. That’s the poorest section in Arvada. We’re worried what’s going to happen in to kids and what they [are going to] do during the summer and [about] the need for local recreation.

JK: “[Where to put it?] I’ve got like six areas. Each one has a problem. [laughter] We can find a place for a pool! The other thing is that people say they want a pool they don’t have to drive to. They want a pool where they can send their kids out on a bicycle, walk to — not take a bus — just the local recreation they had before. If you look at the [accessibility area charts] they have there, there’s a doughnut hole there right in the middle. And that’s where the Fisher Pool used to be. There’s no HOAs to cover that like you have in the better areas of town — like at Candelas and places like, because they can afford their own recreational facilities.

JK: “But this bond is going to get very weak support if something isn’t done for local recreation in that area [south and southeast Arvada].”

Apex Board member Kristen Larington: “I think, like Mike [Miles] said, 62% percent are families without kids. I know, I’m a family with kids, so there’s definitely two fold [needs] here. You kind of want it on two sides. You want kids to be happy, you want the older . . .”

John Kiljan: “Let me interrupt that thought. I thought that too until people started speaking. The ones that are the most FOR recreation for children are the elderly. I go to the meetings and hear, ‘We need something for our kids and our grandkids.’ It’s astonishing to see that reaction. I did not – I expected what you were saying – well, ‘I got kids I have to take over there to Anderson Pool over there in Wheat Ridge,’ which is what they do. They put them in a car and take them there, and that pool is stuffed full. And they tell me, every other year that [Anderson] pays for its own operations, which is contradictory to what Mike [Miles] has been telling you about here. Last year I think they made like a $10,000 profit. The year before they made a $10,000 loss. It can be done. And to build a pool, if we can find an area for it, and leverage that money the City Council’s got, which is NOT enough to build a pool. You need about $8 – $9 – $10 million dollars.

Kristen Larington: “Now you’re more like thinking eastside not necessarily Meyers, correct?

John Kiljan: “I’m not talking about Meyers. I’m not talking about Secrest. I’m talking about Ralston Road corridor neighborhoods. If you look at the five areas [on the chart] were looking at south and southeast. And I don’t know about those poor people out there in Columbine, they’ve got it tough too. There’s no parks in that part of town.”

JK: “The [facility] at Secrest probably should be build out as part of [the bond] – whatever the neighbors will take there. . . . It’s still too far for kids from Columbine to walk to. For the new people, there’s a lot of new apartments coming in with three bedrooms, it’s still too far for people to walk there too. . . . It’s Arvada’s poorest neighborhood – no parks there, no recreation, no nothing. But they can cross Wadsworth Bypass safely by taking Grandview because of that nice bridge, or they can go down to the creek on their bicycles and cross underneath and they would come all the way up to Memorial Park, and all the way up our neighborhood. [As they did] in the old days, to go to that Fisher Pool.

JK: “It’s a community need that has intangible benefits. It won’t pay for itself, but you leverage that City money if you go with it. . . . I’m talking about a facility between the Wadsworth Bypass and the Kipling Parkway on Ralston. Something that’s accessible by the bike paths. The City is putting a half a million dollars into improving the bike path on 57th Avenue – that’s a lot of money. And it will connect in to Lutz/Stenger. There are some facilities built at Lutz/Stenger, but it’s all for organized sports. You can’t go ice skating there or go shoot some hoops.”

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FROM THE BREAKOUT TABLE SUMMARY REPORTS (These are excerpts regarding local recreation and about using the Secrest center as a scaled-down eastside recreation center. It includes comments both for and against local recreation, Secrest expansion, south/southeast recreation, and a replacement for the Fisher Pool.)

[There were ten or so breakout tables given a list of five projects to review. There was no Fisher Pool replacement or southeast Arvada rec center projects on the list. It had to be added by each breakout table if they wanted to discuss that. Over a hundred people participated in all. Most group presenters were not identified, but they were mostly Apex board members.]

“Our consensus was the eastside rec center [at Secrest] was our lowest priority, because of the fact it was going to be a deficit center, and it was going to be in an existing neighborhood.”

“We asked everybody about the eastside center – very, very, very passionate about that from our table.”

“The eastside rec center [at Secrest] was a lot of concern and not a very high priority with our group. The main reason is the cost and it not being able to sustain itself and the space needed and location. Their big concern was the impact that would have at that specific community and that it would be more community based than a whole regional type of concept”

“They liked a pool replacement for south/ southeast Arvada. They felt like Arvada really needed something over there that people can just walk to, or ride their bike to, and they’re not really having to hop on a bus to get to these areas. So something locally again like other groups mentioned — just for generations. We’re looking for our youth, not l necessarily just our older citizens.”

”The eastside rec center – no one was overly excited about that because it’s going to have to be a small facility that won’t be able to sustain itself.”

“We also had a couple of people who suggested an outdoor pool for the central Arvada area. One of the troubles there would be finding the land.”

“We’re all for recreation. It’s the folks that aren’t here that will be a challenge for us. . . . By the time we had all summed it up, we were all talking about, ‘Wow, yeah, I can see how that’s going to be better for the community. And, wow, let’s do it this way because that’s how it’s going to get passed.’”

“Everyone agreed that, if you’re going to have a good modern functioning facility, it’s gotta to pay for itself. Right? And we want to serve the east side of the community, but I don’t think you really serve it by having ‘little tiny things that don’t do much’. If you have something like a field house or Lutz Field, they have eight baseball fields over there. They are of sufficient size where they are functional and they can host different activities and things like that.”

“Eastside recreation center? It’s a good idea, but the majority of the group thought ‘not at Secrest’.”

“There’s a lot of familiar faces here. Obviously, you tennis people need to go home [to laughter] . . . . I’ve only been a park planner for Arvada for 41 years . . . . [Regarding a] neighborhood rec center, [CLRC President] T.O. Owens bailed out on us too early. I don’t know where he went. Great idea. He was looking at a south-central rec center, which might not fit the eastside rec center survey. Maybe it would be an interesting survey to see how that would work. Basically, what he was talking about – I hope I get this right, because I’ve heard it from a couple of different sources. [2:09] The south-central folks are looking for a rec center – just a neighborhood center – like we’re talking about at Secrest, but it’s more — they’re talking about more the Fitzmorris area. If you are familiar with Fitzmorris . . . Fitzmorris is an old elementary school. There’s a five-acre park to the north. There’s about an eight-acre/nine-acre parcel to the east, and it’s big enough for the neighborhood rec center. Now, I don’t know. He was talking about a couple of million dollars of grant money – exactly what we need to spread out all these facilities that everybody wants. Passing a bond issue might be problematic unless we’ve got some seed money for a rec center.“ (comment by Harry Johnson)

“Honestly, the research I’ve done on tennis, shows me we can make money at a tennis center. That’s the money that maybe we can use to support that neighborhood rec center. It’s a loss-loser. We know that’s going to lose money. Same things as an outdoor pool — I think. So maybe that indoor tennis center can subsidize some of these other activities that you’re looking at.” (comment by Harry Johnson)

“I live in east Arvada (and I play pickleball). But I’m very passionate about an eastside facility of some kind, because [not having] it disenfranchises part of Arvada. And it’s people that don’t get out, they don’t – I mean I get really frustrated. I go out and ask people to go for a walk xxx or go play pickleball in a court because they painted some lines on the court there. And it’s really hard to get them out. So, I don’t know that the rec center is the answer, but they have an initiative called Healthy Places. . . . I think it would be important to inform people what that is . . .“

“That was a really good lead-in about the east because I don’t think we had anyone that was specifically from that area. But we talked about fairness and access and equality and where the dollars have gone historically for the last ten-15-20 years and where they haven’t. And so, we had three highs and three lows. And one of the highs was the eastside facility, because, you know, there’s a lot of children, a lot of young children, a lot of young families in that area, and they really haven’t gotten much out of all of the development to date. And so we really supported that. We talked about maybe we at the table wouldn’t use that facility, maybe not. It wouldn’t be the most convenient for us, but that was definitely one of our highs.” (comment by Mark)

“And the third option was in our ‘other option’ area, and that was kind of our Olde Town-Triangle area, south-central – getting a rec center and a pool replacement in that area. So we really supported that.   We live in that area, and we’ve seen the big growth and the young families moving in there and all of the Olde Town redevelopment. And to have a fitness center – a high-level fitness center – something that seniors could support, that everybody could go to, and having a pool facility in that area would also be a big addition—I mean people just cannot seem to get over the loss of our central Arvada pool there, so anything we could do in that area would be very supported by our group.” (comment by Mark)

“As far as adding on some things, the biggest thing was people wanted an outdoor pool. They wanted, like, neighborhood pools. Well, I know those are very expensive and hard to maintain, but that was their consensus – they wanted pools throughout the area so, you know, the youth and the older folks could have an outdoor pool to go to.” (comment by Ted Bower)

Shelley Cook: “Hi, I’m Shelley. We were from the far-back table also. There they are, way back in the rear. We had people who were kind of scattered throughout the community. We also had several who were interested in the tennis center, but one thing I was proud of was that everybody put on their ‘broad hat’ and looked at the needs of the City as a whole. For example, one woman was talking about having moved from the east side, but she was a pretty strong advocate for things that were needed over there. So I thought they did a good job. We talked a lot about the eastside recreation center and I think there is a recognition that a facility of some kind is needed.”

SC: “For one thing, you talked about multi-generational facilities, and that does serve that purpose. It also provides an outlet for recreation for people who aren’t involved in organized sports. So people can go work out in a fitness rooms and so forth — or go swim in a pool. So that serves a pretty important need.

SC: “We could tell there is a reluctance about Secrest — both because of potential impacts or a lack of receptivity by the neighborhood, and also about whether you could offer enough at that facility to make it worth going to. So, I don’t know if farther north on Wadsworth is a viable option, but if it, is we talked about sort of an idea that would satisfy an interest that we had – kind of along the lines of the lady back in the back who talked about Healthy Places.

SC: “One of the major tenets of that was creating walkable communities that allowed people to gain access to recreation close to their homes without having to get in their car and drive to recreate. That idea was a big tenet of that and something we talked about. So if you do something along Wadsworth farther north, then maybe concentrate, not just on the Wadsworth base, but also on integrating with the neighborhoods behind it. So people who live in the neighborhoods nearby could walk to it and take their bikes and so forth. It wouldn’t be just part of an auto-oriented facility.

SC: “If you do something farther north on Wadsworth, though, it still leaves a pretty good hole in the Healthy Places study area – the south and the east. So to the extent you downsize the recreation facility [farther north] maybe you work with the neighborhoods down there – there are new neighborhood organizations – to identify the kinds of smaller recreation facilities that might work in the southeast area. So you address that equity issue, you spread the love a bit, as it were, and you yet provide something that’s more visible on Wadsworth that might be a little bit more salable from a bond-issue standpoint . So, that was an idea that came up among our group.” [2:24]

SC: “. . . And then there also was sentiment for replacing the pool in the south area where the City has already allocated some money. So here’s a chance for Apex to sort of leverage its money, sort of fold that into the bond issue. It makes it more popular that way and not to have to spend a lot to do it. So, contributing some toward that Fisher Pool replacement and partner with the City a little bit to help make that one happen.”

Mike Miles: “Well, you guys were awesome. Thanks so much for coming this evening. The board is going to be taking a couple/three months here to sort through this and trying to make some very difficult decisions.”

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Other quotes from social media (again, including those comments both for and against):

GUA (Growing Up in Arvada):

FisherPoolFisher Pool picture from 1970s

John Kiljan: A Replacement for the Fisher Pool in central Arvada? Thursday night [March 26th], Apex will be holding its final public input meeting on what recreational facilities to include in its coming bond renewal proposal. If you want to see a restored Fisher Pool, or if you want to see more easily accessible recreational facilities in central Arvada, this is an important meeting. You can read about it in a recent CLRC neighborhood association article at this link


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Sandy Seiler Love the old Jeffco picture! Miss the old pool !

Teresa Pyles Gines Bring back the outdoor pool! Kids need this!

Veronica Briseno Lots Of Memorys

Laurie Ladbury Biethan Really grateful I grew up in a time when people put the good of the community ahead of their own selfishness. GREAT memories of the pool and the ice rink!

Joni Mortensen-Flotron Spent my summers at the pool!

Leona Barwis Deering is this you Kristine Hanson Farley?

Stacey Lasater I love this photo. The high dive seemed so high when I was a girl!

Terrie Bacher Lots of great memories at this pool! From the kiddie pool to that really high high board! Thanks!

Diane Logsdon Great picture!!!

Kristine Hanson Farley Leona, this is my friend, Cindy Demaray … we looked at LOT alike back then! It is 1977 … Peck Elementary’s 6th grade Pool Party. Photo taken by Greg Pattridge.

Kristine Hanson Farley And John Kiljan …. THANK YOU for keeping us

Pepper Watson I worked there for 18 years and was so saddened to see it taken out. SO many great memories!

Dina Robertson Eledge I spent a ton of my childhood right there. This is an important issue – thanks for letting us know about it John. I reposted to my page.

Sarah Schroeder Rose I spent many hours at that pool. It was within walking distance from home.

Susan Boyce Hawkins The high dive board does not look anywhere near as high as I remember it in my younger mind. Many great summer days spent at this pool. Great memories.

Rose Anne thought that photo looked familiar, isn’t it also on the Peck A Polooza page?

Dale Davidson great post that was the first high dive I jumped off of… it seemed A LOT higher back then.

Peggy Nygren I loved that pool and I took all my swimming lessons there.

John Kiljan I’m hoping that everyone who commented here will show up at the Apex meeting Thursday night at 6:30 pm. I’m also taking Apex at their word when they say they are still open to public input on whether to help rebuild this pool. See you all then.
The meeting will be held at 6:30 pm, Thursday, March 26th at the Community Recreation Center at 6842 Wadsworth Boulevard.

John Kiljan — There was a big turnout for this meeting tonight — over a hundred people showed up — about twice what was expected based upon the first input session. Apex volunteers had to scramble to set up new tables. Not everyone got to talk because of the breakout table format. Most who came were there to support organized sports — especially a new tennis center with indoor courts. But many were also concerned about the need for local recreation for the older parts of Arvada (south and southeast) and a replacement for the old Fisher Pool, and whether a bond renewal proposal could pass without the support of those neighborhoods.

March 26, 2015

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LTA-AAP (Let’s Talk, Arvada – Arvada for all the People):

Barb Smith I do think parents love the splash pad, the replacement of the pool has been overcome. They probably could use year round bathrooms, since people use the park year round. We could use an indoor pool and rec center at the Arvada Center!

Mary Patee Even every small town in America has a swimming pool for all kids, not just in well-to-do areas of towns. Why? Invest in every child… Active kids don’t spend idle time becoming troublesome. The monies will be well spent if we invest it in free pools for all children all over Arvada. There’s already an Apex pool to the west, have one in the north by the Arvada Center, and one on the south eastern section fairly close to the multi-housing units where the most kids are who need it. Please, for the sake of our Arvada kids, let’s have them built right away, starting where the need is the greatest.. the south eastern section of Arvada.

Sue Donim I used to go to swim meets. as a kid, in what’s now the flood-control park. Aren’t there others? I think there used to be an ice rink there, too. Maybe the new Walmart should build new ones as compensation for using the city?

Michelee Hiffmann I missed the meeting at the Apex on Thursday. Did anyone attend or do you have any details about what was discussed, such as an east side rec center or an outdoor pool and where one might be located?

Tom Wambolt I went but it wasn’t much of a meeting. They had us all sit around at tables with a table monitor to fill out cards on what we wanted as a priority. It was stated that in order to a new swimming pool, they would have to have a special election. On their list they had four options but stated that two would be a priority: expanding the Apex center or expanding Ralston Fields ball parks to make them “world class” to bring in national tournaments.

Michele Hoffmann With the all of the growth on the west side, the Apex really isn’t big enough anymore. I am sure the east side would appreciate a rec center or pool rather than making Ralston Fields world class.

Nancy Young Gee, this sounds like recreational facilities on the east side might never happen. Guess attracting the “world” is more important than serving the voters and taxpayers.

Cindy Trumm Agreed, it was made very clear that Lutz ball fields and The Apex, as always is the “best bet” for Arvada. Plenty of excuses why an east side center is not a good fit for everyone.

Jim Whitfield I was pretty sure that I heard from many that that an east side rec center is a priority. It was also pointed out that the City owned 50M Meyers pool has less than 10 years life expectancy. And yes our sports organizations like football, lacrosse, tennis, and rugby would like all season fields to play on. The president of North Jeffco junior baseball was looking to hold larger and more successful tournaments for his large organization and the thousands of kids and adults in the city that play. I will try to get that organization to reach out to those that are in disfavor. I think the increase in tax revenue may help the city fund more CIP improvements since now most go outside the city limits for food and drink once the games end. That was the biggest learning at the table I was at…… That everyone has a recreational passion and that we have to work together, be creative, and compromise to be successful. However some of us may never be capable of team behavior. I feel bad for those that never got the opportunity to be a part of a successful team effort. Even the disadvantaged that play street soccer get that feeling…..

John Sullivan I was at the meeting, and I have to agree with Jim here. Some organizations were well represented, but most everyone seemed to take an honest look at what makes the most sense for the community. (even those who came out in an organized fashion were generally holistic in their approach).

Peggy Kroonenberg Sorry had to add my two cents. It does seem that there should be some logical mathematical formula that makes sense here. For every so many homes built, so many rec center/pool spaces should be available. At the end of the day it should not be big news. Am I the crazy one?

Jim Whitfield From an economics standpoint it is more economical to have regional centers and get smart on how to provide free or low cost transportation to them for those that can’t afford it. This is an easy mathematical formula that I will show in a future post. Most that are in favor of peppering Arvada with dozens of walkable neighborhood rec centers want the first one to appear in THEIR neighborhood. However I am confident we will be able to sort something out. The community has been very clear in telling us to not build something if we can’t afford it and can’t afford to maintain it and make sure that we have something in a bond election for everyone

Dave Chandler “Regional centers” could mean regional, inter-city cooperation — that would be a marvelous improvement over the competition we too often see amongst suburban cities (especially in the business arena). But even in providing recreational services we could surely find ways to pool resources — pun intended — that would be fiscally responsible, yet yield more facilities. Between Arvada (Apex), Jefferson County, Westminster and Wheat Ridge, we ought to be able to creatively find ways to expand recreation amenities. I appreciate Jim Whitfield’s remarks above.

Michele Hoffmann It would be unreasonable to expect to have enough rec centers to make it walkable for everyone. I suspect that most people don’t even walk to the Apex Center. I usually don’t and even if it wasn’t so close, I would be willing to drive or bike further. It’s good to look at improving the outdoor fields or making them more accessible because team sports are important, as Jim mentioned. My childhood memories of playing on the fields (even if not in an organized league) and swimming in the outdoor pools are the best. A baseball field was flooded in the winter to allow for ice skating but this climate is too warm for that.

 Nancy Young It’s a little astounding to me – the City of Arvada has this “thing” about creating a park within 10 minutes walking distance of every neighborhood. And yet an equally important – if not more so – “healthy” facility – rec centers – seems to be very low on the list of priorities. Since the outdoor pool, ice rink and roller rink at the former North Jeffco were eliminated, the entire SE portion of Arvada has “nowhere to go” for healthy living. More important, our children, the teenagers, have no safe place to spend their spare time.

John Sullivan The mandate for having a park within a 10 minute walking distance is, I think, part of the city charter. Rec centers are with APEX though, that is a different political district, separate from the city.

Nancy Young Guess to us everday citizens, it’s not easy to see the “political district” difference. Sometimes it feels like “they’ take away with one hand, then appear to refuse to “give back” with the other. After losing one of the most valuable assets – to the citizens – pool and park at the former North Jeffco site – we are beginning to feel like “2nd class” citizens.

Jim Whitfield Yes. The word regional and rec center and pool are all subjective and open to interpretation. And an utopia of any of the three isn’t likely. But with some team work, compromise, and cooperation I think we can hopefully strike some balance. Apex already has some recreational balance in that there are recreation facilities at the community rec center and the fitness center near 64th and Simms. The property options are a limiting factor in the older parts of the city. But the door isn’t closed. Please realize that APEX is a special district and now only one third of our operation income is source from property tax. The other 2/3rds are from fees and programming. And we must be careful to allow the private sector and opportunity to operate in the area of fitness and wellness as well. We sit at the bottom of the governmental food chain in the state.

Nancy Young Perhaps all Arvada would be better served with a rec center at the site of the current Vineyard Church (formerly Brooklyns).

Nancy Young Been giving some deep thought about “world class” fields in Arvada. It seems to me that the #1 priority ought to be serving the people who are footing the bill (taxpayers) – like those on the east side who have almost no rec center services – the outdoor pool has not been replaced. If the notion is to bring visitors to Arvada, then Arvada Economic Development or the Chamber of Commerce should be footing the bill. If APEX wants to extend their debt capacity to provide “world class” fields for outsiders to enjoy, I would almost certainly VOTE NO.

Jim Whitfield The additional fields would be used by property tax and fee payers on a weekly basis. Any tournament activity is a bonus. The thousands of rugby, lacrosse, midget football, soccer, and north Jeffco junior baseball families would support this observation. I haven’t heard from any of these thousands saying they won’t support some rec investment on the east side. But if you feel 100% of the bond renewal must go to the east side Nancy to vote YES ….you are welcome to your view. That is why I love our country and appreciate hearing your viewpoint.

Nancy Young Indeed, Jim Whitfield, it’s all about the conversation! There are tons of people who do not use the ballfields, but would use a more robust, convenient rec center. Just food for thought….

Jim Whitfield Yes. The east side is under served and I will hope something comes together to benefit the tons and the thousands. We shall see.

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CBA (Citizens for a Better Arvada):

Stan Dyer Personally, I see no need for a new pool. Aren’t there pools at the Rec Centers? The nearest Rec Center to me is Wheat Ridge. I pass Anderson Pool on the bike ride there, and find and adequate pool once I arrive at the Rec Center.
I am a bit biased, though, in regard to public pools. For quite some time, the idea of sharing a big bathtub with a lot of strangers has not appealed to me, especially when a lot of those strangers are young children.

Susan Shirley l think there’s definitely a need for a pool that teens can walk to. Many Arvada kids just can’t get themselves out to APEX or the Wheat Ridge Rec center.

Stan Dyer I might support a proposal for an aquatic center on Wadsworth near the Arvada Center so that Arvada High School could better support a swim team, but isn’t there a pool at Secrest, just a few blocks away?

Stan Dyer With the following four pools already in Arvada, where would people like to put another?

Jayme Gaines The one at Secrest is just a block from my house. Its kind of a small pool and is generally packed to the max during the summer.

Christine Duncan We need a pool and rec center on the south side of town. Kids can’t walk to Apex from grandview.

Stan Dyer I live on Grandview Avenue. It is both and easy bike ride, and a reasonable walk to either the Anderson Park Pool, or the Wheat Ridge Rec Center. From where I live, neither distance is much further than the former pool at Ralston Road and Garrison, and the Wheat Ridge Rec Center is considerably closer than APEX.
I know both of those locations are in Wheat Ridge, but building new ones in the general vicinity would do no one any good. To the best of my knowledge, neither facility is overcrowded, and, from my experience, I am not certain kids in the area would adequately support either structure. There are a lot of kids at the outdoor pool in the Summer, but, hardly ever very many kids at the rec center, and certainly not enough to justify creation and maintenance of a new facility.

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The City Council’s contact information can be found on the second page of any Arvada Report. You can read the latest copy at this link:


The contact information for the members of the Apex Board of Directors can be found on their website at


The CLRC’s advance article for the March 26th meeting can be found at this link:


Apex’s own summary of the meeting can be found at this link:


The joint workshop being held with Apex and the Arvada City Council is planned for Tuesday evening from 6:00 pm to 8:00 pm at the Arvada Center. The meeting will be posted and open to the public, and it will include a social dinner. The public is not invited to join in for the dinner, although they are invited to sit in on and listen to the discussion.

About eight members of the public sat in when the two entities last met and dined in January to discuss Apex’s bond renewal strategies. Public comment is not expected to be invited at the workshop on May 12th.

The Citizens for a Livable Ralston Community is an independent neighborhood association representing the neighborhoods adjacent to Ralston Road from Wadsworth Bypass to the Kipling Parkway.

Our main website is at http://www.RalstonCommunity.org or you can read even more posts on our Facebook page at “CLRC – Citizens for a Liveable Ralston Community”. You can write to us, call us or email us at

c/o John Kiljan, Secretary
6185 Field Street
Arvada, CO 80004


May 8, 2015


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